Side Effects / Professor Effy Vayena discusses Ethics, Track and Trace and a future of digital health
[50 Mins]
In these times where the pressure of Track and Trace is ramping up around the world in the wake of expectations of a return to normality, I talk with Professor Effy Vayena from ETH Zurich about her work with the Swiss government in ethics, digital and the risks and rewards viewed under an ethical lens.
[3 Mins] An introduction to Effy Vayena and a review of Switzerland’s Covid experience [to date]
[6 Mins] The impact of fear and risk: The reality of the Covid experience.
[10 Mins] A background to ethics. The ethicist in all of us. How do we make decisions, especially in health.
[12 Mins] Digital healthcare and ethics: The opportunity, desire and the conversion of the digital and the biomedical. Beyond privacy alone.
[16 Mins] The Switzerland experience of Track and Trace and de-centralised alignment (with Google and Apple) , efficacy and privacy preserving decisions.
[20 Mins ] A more harmonious experience than the UK and a law behind the decisions.
[22 Mins] Being part of a science task force underpinning these factors in Switzerland. Decision making underpinning the experience and peoples liberties.
[24 Mins] Absolutely voluntary which was key. The law is that it cannot be mandatory. This tool has to be voluntary in a trust society.
[26 Mins] 18% download in Switzerland is not great; but actually not bad vs. other countries. Also, it is working to identify those that would have been missed by traditional tracing.
[29 Mins] The British creation of Black Mirror by Charlie Brooker. How can we avoid the Black mirror outcome?
[32 Mins] Even low case countries are now having outbreaks or second lockdown, NZ and Israel included. We are all learning from imperfect tools. Also, the pandemic is being politicised.
[34 Mins] What about the economic impact in Switzerland? The relative successes of the Swiss social security process.
[38 Mins] The good, bad and ugly of digital health and ethics.
Good = Innovation. Bad = Rushed through tech without data security [not testing enough before release] Ugly: Ineffectual and harmful products that destroy trust.
[42 Mins] Torn about IoT and, Product and Digital products under the lens of ethics [The Social Dilemma]
[44 Mins] Hard law vs Soft law in ethics.
[46 Mins] Magic Wand: Increased acumen- wisdom, responsibility, empathy to those in digital health to protect the many and not the few.
[48 Mins] Finding Effy online @effyvayena on Twitter
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